Captain William W. Fisher, Director, Anti-Submarine Division, to Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, D. C.
With our experience of Motor Launches it is not considered that the proposed submarine chasers are wo<r>th getting over here.1
They should, however, be better sea boats as they are 25 feet longer and considerably more powerful, but they would at the best be suitable for coastal work and could not be looked on as suitable for escorting convoys.
The fuel question must also be considered – they would be heavy petrol consumers.
It would be of value if we could get one or two over for trial purposes, but it is not recommended to place any order for them until one has been seen and tried.
W Fisher
D.A.S.D.
4.9.17
My Minute was largely influenced by un-official remarks of U.S. Officers over here who think little of these craft. They were built, I understand, as an answer to any popular demand that might arise as the result of enemy submarines operating on American Coasts, in the event of most of their craft being our side of the Atlantic. Now they can point to a large number of Chasers ready to deal with the U boat when he appears, though they are not sanguine as regards the actual effectiveness of the measure.
Most certainly these craft can be useful in the Mediterranean and West Indies, but I do not think their qualities warrant large supplies of personnel (officers, mechanics, W/T operators etc.,) or Petrol. If U.S. are ready to man these craft the case is different.
Otherwise I would prefer to see our men reserved for craft that can keep the sea in any weather and can remain out a long time. (This implies accommodation as well as fuel capacity). Anti-Submarine Craft fall under one of three categories:-
(1) Escorting.
(2) Patrolling.
(3) Hunting.
These “Chasers” cannot carry out (1): can only do (2) near the coast and in good weather, and as regards (3), a successful hunt must <may> be protracted and the issue may <call> for a good gun, and in these respects the 110-feet “Chaser” does not meet requirements.2
W Fisher
D. A. S. D.
8/9/17
Source Note: Cy, UK-KeNA, Adm. 137/1437.
Footnote 1: See: Gaunt to Admiralty, 2 September 1917.
Footnote 2: In the Admiralty records is a detailed report on the submarine chasers including the materials used in construction, the armament, power plant, lighting and heating, make-up of the crew, etc. ibid.
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- Captain William W. Fisher, Director, Anti-Submarine Division, to Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, D. C., 9/4/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/1/1917
- Captain Samuel S. Robison, Commander, Submarine Force, Atlantic Fleet, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/1/1917
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- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Wates, to Oswyn A. R. Murrary, Secretary of the Admiralty, 9/1/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/2/1917
- War Diary, U. S. S. Tucker, 9/2/1917
- Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, D. C., to the British Admiralty, 9/2/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Captain Joel R. Poinsett Pringle, Chief of Staff, Destroyer Flotillas, 9/3/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/3/1917
- Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in French Waters, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/3/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Rear Admiral Nathaniel R. Usher, Commandant, Third Naval District, 9/4/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of Naval Intelligence, 9/5/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral Henry B. Wilson, Commander, Gibraltar Patrol, 9/5/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/4/1917
- Captain Joel R. Poinsett Pringle, Chief of Staff, Destroyer Flotillas, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/5/1917
- Rear Admiral Leigh C. Palmer, Chief of the Bureau of Navigation, to William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/5/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/5/1917
- Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/5/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/6/1917
- Diary of Commander Joseph K. Taussig, Commander, Destroyer Division Eight, 9/6/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Captain Joel R. Poinsett Pringle, Chief of Staff, Destroyer Flotillas, 9/6/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Lieutenant Commander Henry C. Dinger, Commander, United States Naval Forces Based at Brest, 9/6/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/6/1917
- Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/6/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/6/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels Circular Letter, 9/6/1917
- Captain Joel R. Poinsett Pringle, Chief of Staff, Destroyer Flotillas, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/6/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Captain William V. Pratt, Assistant Chief of Naval Operations, 9/7/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/7/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, 9/7/1917
- Vice Admiral Sir Lewis Bayly, Commander, Southern Ireland, to Anne Hitchcock Sims, 9/7/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Brigadier General Henry P. McCain, Adjutant General of the United States Army, 9/7/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/7/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, 9/7/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/7/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Lieutenant Commander Hugo W. Osterhaus Jr., Senior Naval Officer, Azores, 9/8/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Captain Richard H. Jackson, American Naval Representative in Paris, 9/8/1917
- Captain Hubert Brand, Chief of Staff to Admiral Sir David Beatty, Commander-in-Chief, Grand Fleet, 9/8/1917
- Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, to Admiralty, 9/8/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/8/1917
- Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/8/1917
- Secretary of State Robert Lansing to United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom Walter Hines Page, 9/9/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/10/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/10/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/10/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/11/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/11/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/11/1917
- Seaman Timothy Brown, Reid, to his Family, 9/11/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/11/1917
- Contré-amiral Zépherin Alexander Antoine Schwerer, Chief of the Division of Patrols, Bretagne, to Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in French Waters, 9/11/1917
- Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, to Caroline Wing Mayo, 9/11/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Vice Admiral Lewis Bayly, R.N., Commander, Southern Ireland., 9/11/1917
- Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, to First Sea Lord Admiral Sir John R. Jellicoe, 9/11/1917
- Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, to British Admiralty, 9/11/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/12/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in Europe, to Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Sqaudrons Operating in European Waters, 9/12/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral Henry B. Wilson, Commander, United States Patrol Sqaudron Based at Gibraltar, 9/12/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval forces operating in European Waters, to Office of Chief of Naval Operations, 9/13/1917
- War Diary, Benham, 9/13/1917
- Commodore Guy R. Gaunt, British Naval Attaché at Washington, to Rear Admiral William R. Hall, Director, Intelligence Division, British Admiralty, 9/13/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/13/1917
- Captain Frank L. Pleadwell, Medical Inspector, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/13/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/13/1917
- Captain Joel R. Poinsett Pringle, Chief of Staff, Destroyer Flotillas, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/13/1917
- Captain William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in European Waters, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/13/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels Address to Ensigns in the Naval Reserve, 9/14/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/15/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/15/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/15/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Anne Hitchcock Sims, 9/15/1917
- Report of Conference Between Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, and Vice Admiral Ferdinand Jean-Jacques de Bon, Chief of Staff, French Navy, 9/17/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/18/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Rear Admiral Nathaniel R. Usher, Commandant, Third Naval District, 9/19/1917
- Lieutenant John C. Latham, Communication Superintendent, Third Naval District, to Captain Roger T. Welles, Chief of the Office of Naval Intelligence, 9/19/1917
- Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in European Waters, to Contré-amiral Zépherin Alexander Antoine Schwerer, Chief of Cabinet, and Navy Minister, Patrol Forces, Atlantic Ocean and English Channel, 9/19/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/20/1917
- Lieutenant James C. Van de Carr, Commander, L-10, to Special Board on Submarine Devices, 9/20/1917
- Report of Conference Between Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, and Major General John J. Pershing, Commander, American Expeditionary Forces, 9/20/1917
- British Foreign Office to British Ambassador to the United States Sir Cecil Spring Rice, 9/20/1917
- United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom Walter Hines Page to Secretary of State Robert Lansing, 9/21/1917
- Commander Walter N. Vernou, Commander, Destroyer Division Six, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/21/1917
- Admiralty to Vice Admiral Heathcoat S. Grant, Senior Officer, Gibraltar, 9/21/1917
- Rear Admiral Albert Gleaves, Commander, Cruiser and Transport Forces, to Transport Force, 9/21/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral Henry B. Wilson, Commander, United States Patrol Squadron Based at Gibraltar, 9/22/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/22/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Vice Admiral Sir Lewis Bayly, Commander, Southern Ireland, 9/22/1917
- Action Involving Paulding, 9/22/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels to Secretary of War Newton D. Baker, 9/22/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, Force Instructions No. 2, 9/22/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/22/1917
- Vice Admiral Sir Montague E. Browning, Commander, North America and West Indies Station, to British Admiralty, 9/22/1917
- Lieutenant Commander Charles R. Train, United States Naval Attaché at Rome, Report on the Situation in the Mediterranean as it is Affected by Submarine Warfare, 9/23/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/24/1917
- Circular of Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/24/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Anne Hitchcock Sims, 9/24/1917
- War Diary, Fanning, 9/24/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in European Waters, 9/24/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters to Rear Admiral Leigh C. Palmer, Chief of the Bureau of Navigation, 9/25/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/25/1917
- President Woodrow Wilson Executive Order, 9/25/1917
- Assistant Secretary of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, 9/25/1917
- Captain Thomas P. Magruder, Commander, Squadron Four, Patrol Force, Atlantic Fleet, to Vice Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, 9/26/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Anne Hitchcock Sims, 9/26/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/26/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels to Secretary of War Newton D. Baker, 9/26/1917
- Memorandum of Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, 9/26/1917
- Lieutenant Commander Joseph F. Daniels, Liaison to the American Destroyer Flotillas, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/26/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Anne Hitchcock Sims, 9/27/1917
- Admiral Henry T. Mayo, Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet, to Caroline Wing Mayo, 9/27/1917
- Suggestions for Improving Convoying, Commander Alfred W. Johnson, Commander, Conyngham, 9/27/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in European Waters, 9/27/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, 9/27/1917
- Naval Staff Memorandum on Further Assistance Desired from the United States, 9/27/1917
- Lieutenant Commander Joseph F. Daniels, Liasion to United States Destroyer Flotillas, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/28/1917
- Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels to Secretary of State Robert Lansing, 9/28/1917
- Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, to Rear Admiral William B. Fletcher, Force Commander, United States Patrol Squadrons Operating in European Waters, 9/28/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/28/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/28/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/28/1917
- Admiral William S. Benson, Chief of Naval Operations, to Vice Admiral William S. Sims, Commander, United States Naval Forces Operating in European Waters, 9/29/1917
- Operations Staff, British Admiralty, to First Sea Lord Admiral Sir John R. Jellicoe, 9/29/1917
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