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Oral History-Battle of the Atlantic, 1941-1945
Recollections of Lieutenant Commander
Dudley S. Knox, USNR, on destroyer escort USS Chatelain
(DE-149), of the sinking of German submarines U-515 and
U-68 off Madeira Island on 9 and 10 April 1944.
Adapted from: Dudley S. Knox
interview in box 18 of World War II Interviews, Operational Archives
Branch, Naval Historical Center
This is a talk on an action which took place in the North Atlantic
on Easter Sunday. I'll give you some background before I go into
that part of the story. I will give you a general idea of what
we were doing. We were Task Group 21.12 operating as a so-called
killer group. Our mission was to sink submarines and we attempted
to stay at sea in the areas where the submarines were concentrating.
With a CVE [escort aircraft carrier], the [USS] Guadalcanal
[CVE-60], there were four escorts, all of which were DE's [destroyer
escorts]. I believe this was the first time that DE's were used
for this purpose.
The action on Easter Sunday started actually on the 8th in the
evening when aircraft attacked a radar contact which proved to
be a submarine and which crash dived. During the night, the USS
Pope [DE-134] of the same group made sound contact and
attacked three times and then lost contact. Later on in the morning
of the ninth, I think approximately around 6 in the morning, another
submarine was attacked which I think eventually proved to be the
same submarine. He in turned crash dived and escorts were sent
out to search the area.
The USS Pope was left to screen the carrier, and as she
was steaming more or less away from the attack area she got sound
contact. I believe it was on the starboard bow of the carrier,
and later reports indicate that the Captain of the submarine,
the U-515, had the Guadalcanal in his sights and
he had planned a torpedo attack on her. However, when he heard
the pinging [sonar] on him he instantly took evasive tactics.
The Pope maintained contact all morning, and made repeated
About 12 o'clock in the day, about 1200, the Division Commander
asked the Pope if she needed assistance. She stated that
she did and the USS Chatelain [DE-149], the ship that I
was on, was detached for the search and went to help. Our mission
at that time was to maintain contact on the submarine which we
got instantly on approaching the area. Now all we did for perhaps
an hour was to lay off while the Pope continued her attacks
by depth charge.
Finally the Pope lost contact and at the same time the
Chatelain lost contact, and we commenced a search in the
immediate area, with the rest of the escorts laying off perhaps
three to six thousand yards. After sweeping the area for some
time, the Chatelain regained contact and commenced her
run. I happened to be on the flying bridge and the ASW [antisubmarine
warfare] Officer had passed the word to stand by to fire depth
charges when I saw a bow out of the water broad on our starboard
beam, approximately 400 yards away, perhaps less. At that time,
we were, of course, at general quarters and we commenced firing
instantly. Our momentum was such that we circled across her bow
and lay off about a thousand yards or less and fired all our guns.
There was an attempt from the submarines' crew as they came out
of the conning tower to man the 20 mm. [antiaircraft] guns right
in the conning tower, but such a concentration of fire was made
that they were soon cleaned off the conning tower.
We then noticed men spilling out of a hatch aft and diving into
the water. We ceased firing and there was a period when we waited
for them to abandon ship but nothing seemed to happen when four
men, either four or five men ran forward to man her forward gun.
Our 20 mm [antiaircraft guns] cut them down before they could
get to the gun and we commenced firing with all the guns for the
second time and she exploded. There seems to be some question
of whether or not it was ready box ammunition that exploded. The
fire seemed to come out of the hatch forward near the gun. We
then ceased fire for the second time and the submarine sank, stern
After the submarine sank the USS Pope came in and assisted
us in taking on survivors. Forty-three men were saved from the
water, of which approximately seven were taken aboard the USS
Chatelain, which included the Captain of the submarine.
He stated his name to be Lieutenant Commander Heinkle [Korvettenkapitan
Werner Henke], who it turned out was a very famous German submarine
commander who had been decorated by Hitler himself. The survivors
were, of course, very completely shocked, practically every survivor
had his ear drums punctured and they were very dazed. They were,
however, soon transferred to the carrier, where they got proper
medical attention and we were all glad to say that they all recovered.
Also, a note of interest, there was no question of arrogance on
the part of any of the people there. We asked the German Commander,
the Captain, when he thought the war would end. He said, "1944."
On the following morning, April 10th aircraft [from USS Guadalcanal]
made radar contact approximately around 0600 in the morning. They
attacked [German submarine U-68 near Madeira Island] and
there was an explosion seen by the aircraft followed by a second
explosion under the surface of the water. There was very reason
to believe this was a kill, escorts were detached and arrived
at the scene approximately two hours later. Floating in the water
were four air flasks which were recovered. They looked very bright
as though they had not been stowed on deck. There were two men
floating in the water, and the one that we picked up was the only
one alive. The USS Flaherty [DE-135], also a part of this
Task Group, picked up the other man. There was also a great amount
of oil on the water, parts of bodies, floating about, jackets,
trousers, pillow cases, all sorts of odd things that indicated
that the submarine had been mortally damaged.
The one survivor was in pretty bad shape. He had been in the water
for some time but recovered sufficiently to answer questions in
German. However, he, in turn, was transferred to the carrier and
stated upon recovery that he had been on deck manning machine
guns when attacked by aircraft and been blown clear into the water.
I believe, although there is nothing official, at this time, that
that was a kill. The air flasks in the water would indicate that
something had been opened up in the way of pressure hull and would
indicate that the submarine was sunk by aircraft.
Note: German Navy Korvettenkapitan Werner Henke, commander
of U-515 from 21 Feb. 1942 to 9 April 1944, was killed
while attempting to escape from a prisoner of war camp on 15 June
1944. [Source: Busch, Rainer and Hans-Joachim Roll, German
U-Boat Commanders of World War II: a Biographical Dictionary,
Annapolis MD: Naval Institute Press, 1999.].